R1 #32: Lewis Cine, S
R2 #42: Andrew Booth Jr., CB
R2 #59: Ed Ingram, OG
R3 #66: Brian Asamoah, LB
R4 #118: Akayleb Evans, CB
R5 #165: Esezi Otomewo, DE
R5 #169: Ty Chandler, RB
R6 #184: Vederian Lowe, OT
R6 #191: Jalen Nailor, WR
R7 #227: Nick Muse, TE
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No matter what moves Kwesi made in 2022/2023 we weren't going to be a super bowl contender this year or next for that matter. No matter how they phrased it this was always going to be a rebuild from the team that peaked in 2017-2019. It was always going to take several years to turn the roster over and build a new foundation going forward. Imo that all has to lead towards getting a QB high in next draft. If that doesn't happen then I will start having real questions. Nitpicking little moves here and there doesn't do much for me. If you were expecting a finished product this year then maybe your expectations weren't realistic
It's only the start of year two in the Kwesi/O'Connell era and there will be a lot of fans who don't like what they've done so far. Such is life. I personally like the meticulous approach of building the team. Taking over a Ricky/Zimmer roster wasn't going to be easy.
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building what with draft busts? Oliver? Both lines being shit?
It's only the start of year two in the Kwesi/O'Connell era and there will be a lot of fans who don't like what they've done so far. Such is life. I personally like the meticulous approach of building the team. Taking over a Ricky/Zimmer roster wasn't going to be easy.
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building what with draft busts? Oliver? Both lines being shit?
What really impresses you so much?
it takes several years to address all need areas on a team. Did you expect everything to be fixed in a year? I think they have done a pretty good job upgrading the secondary and the weapons on offense since they took the job in 2022. There's been no money to address it the lines. Next off-season there will be
It's only the start of year two in the Kwesi/O'Connell era and there will be a lot of fans who don't like what they've done so far. Such is life. I personally like the meticulous approach of building the team. Taking over a Ricky/Zimmer roster wasn't going to be easy.
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building what with draft busts? Oliver? Both lines being shit?
What really impresses you so much?
I'll try with the optimistic view of it:
1. Shedding bad contracts
I know it's taking longer than you and me would've preferred, but they are moving in that direction even if slowly, they're doing it at least.....
2. Allowing rookie HC to develop. Don't want to go all-in during the HC's rookie season. Let him learn on the job for a year or 2 (or 3), then go all-in.
3. Hire of Flores. This is huge IMO. On several levels. First, Flores seems like a good hire so far. Second, it never hurts to have a backup plan at HC...... just in case...... in house, on staff, with prior HC experience.... just in case our young, first time HC doesn't pan out. Third, it showed that the new regime is willing to admit a big mistake (Donatell hire as DC) and fix it right away after one season..... not let their ego hold us back...... I could keep going, but simply put: Flores was an all around savvy hire that still doesn't get enough credit IMO.
4. While first draft class wasn't good.... keep in mind, majority of Rick's scouts/staff were in place. We changed many of those this offseason...... and the 2nd draft class already looks better. Pace Jr, Addison, etc.... we may come out with AT LEAST two solid starters..... maybe those scouting department changes had something to do with the 1st draft? We don't know.
5. Cap space beginning next season.... They're not being reckless.... doing what they can to keep quite a bit of cap space available in the coming years.
VP or others can add on.
As usual, it's not all black and white.... it is a mixed bag so far for the new regime.....
building what with draft busts? Oliver? Both lines being shit?
What really impresses you so much?
I'll try with the optimistic view of it:
1. Shedding bad contracts
I know it's taking longer than you and me would've preferred, but they are moving in that direction even if slowly, they're doing it at least.....
2. Allowing rookie HC to develop. Don't want to go all-in during the HC's rookie season. Let him learn on the job for a year or 2 (or 3), then go all-in.
3. Hire of Flores. This is huge IMO. On several levels. First, Flores seems like a good hire so far. Second, it never hurts to have a backup plan at HC...... just in case...... in house, on staff, with prior HC experience.... just in case our young, first time HC doesn't pan out. Third, it showed that the new regime is willing to admit a big mistake (Donatell hire as DC) and fix it right away after one season..... not let their ego hold us back...... I could keep going, but simply put: Flores was an all around savvy hire that still doesn't get enough credit IMO.
4. While first draft class wasn't good.... keep in mind, majority of Rick's scouts/staff were in place. We changed many of those this offseason...... and the 2nd draft class already looks better. Pace Jr, Addison, etc.... we may come out with AT LEAST two solid starters..... maybe those scouting department changes had something to do with the 1st draft? We don't know.
5. Cap space beginning next season.... They're not being reckless.... doing what they can to keep quite a bit of cap space available in the coming years.
VP or others can add on.
As usual, it's not all black and white.... it is a mixed bag so far for the new regime.....
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I hope Flores is around for a couple seasons just so we can have three drafts specifically for this defense. That's huge imo. The reason Zimmer's defense peaked in 2017 was because it was four years of drafts and free agent signings specifically for that defense. We are on the third scheme in three years and don't have nearly the right pieces especially up front
building what with draft busts? Oliver? Both lines being shit?
What really impresses you so much?
I'll try with the optimistic view of it:
1. Shedding bad contracts
I know it's taking longer than you and me would've preferred, but they are moving in that direction even if slowly, they're doing it at least.....
2. Allowing rookie HC to develop. Don't want to go all-in during the HC's rookie season. Let him learn on the job for a year or 2 (or 3), then go all-in.
3. Hire of Flores. This is huge IMO. On several levels. First, Flores seems like a good hire so far. Second, it never hurts to have a backup plan at HC...... just in case...... in house, on staff, with prior HC experience.... just in case our young, first time HC doesn't pan out. Third, it showed that the new regime is willing to admit a big mistake (Donatell hire as DC) and fix it right away after one season..... not let their ego hold us back...... I could keep going, but simply put: Flores was an all around savvy hire that still doesn't get enough credit IMO.
4. While first draft class wasn't good.... keep in mind, majority of Rick's scouts/staff were in place. We changed many of those this offseason...... and the 2nd draft class already looks better. Pace Jr, Addison, etc.... we may come out with AT LEAST two solid starters..... maybe those scouting department changes had something to do with the 1st draft? We don't know.
5. Cap space beginning next season.... They're not being reckless.... doing what they can to keep quite a bit of cap space available in the coming years.
VP or others can add on.
As usual, it's not all black and white.... it is a mixed bag so far for the new regime.....
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Always the optimist. I applaud you. I have watched this team suck for too long I guess.
Rick Spielman, while he was still our GM, explored trading up for QB Justin Fields...... luckily for us, it didn't materialize.....
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I'm not going to voice my opinion on our QB position until next offseason. If they keep Kirk or bring in some loser like Lance or some other retread I will be done with this Mgt team.
Post by BosViking on Sept 20, 2023 12:52:02 GMT -5
Wtf is going on with Bears?
Poles off to a horrible start.... for those of you who rip Adofo-Mensah.... what do you have to say about Poles?
Apparently, Fields blamed coaches publicly along with this
And then their Defensive Coordinator situation. More info on that here:
I bring Poles up because 1. Divisional rival and 2. I know some Vikings fans preferred him over Adofo-Mensah as our new GM when we were in the hiring process.....
Poles off to a horrible start.... for those of you who rip Adofo-Mensah.... what do you have to say about Poles?
Apparently, Fields blamed coaches publicly along with this
And then their Defensive Coordinator situation. More info on that here:
I bring Poles up because 1. Divisional rival and 2. I know some Vikings fans preferred him over Adofo-Mensah as our new GM when we were in the hiring process.....
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Things are a mess over there. I don’t think Fields’ dig at the staff is as bad of a reflection of the Front Office as it is an indictment that he is not the answer at QB.
GM hires are really tough to predict. If I recall, I was on board with Ossenfort, Spytek, Poles, Schoen, McClay, or KAM. Didn’t want anything to do with Wolf, Raiche, Brown, Dodd, Cook, or Ireland.
Poles off to a horrible start.... for those of you who rip Adofo-Mensah.... what do you have to say about Poles?
Apparently, Fields blamed coaches publicly along with this
And then their Defensive Coordinator situation. More info on that here:
I bring Poles up because 1. Divisional rival and 2. I know some Vikings fans preferred him over Adofo-Mensah as our new GM when we were in the hiring process.....
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Things are a mess over there. I don’t think Fields’ dig at the staff is as bad of a reflection of the Front Office as it is an indictment that he is not the answer at QB.
GM hires are really tough to predict. If I recall, I was on board with Ossenfort, Spytek, Poles, Schoen, McClay, or KAM. Didn’t want anything to do with Wolf, Raiche, Brown, Dodd, Cook, or Ireland.
I'm guessing Poles knew from the start that Fields wasn't the guy and wants him to play to improve their draft stock for 2024. I think they have some of the Panthers high picks as well. Sucks for Eberflus because he and Fields will probably end up being the fall guys while Poles will get another shot at hiring a coach and will be allowed to draft his guy at QB
Things are a mess over there. I don’t think Fields’ dig at the staff is as bad of a reflection of the Front Office as it is an indictment that he is not the answer at QB.
GM hires are really tough to predict. If I recall, I was on board with Ossenfort, Spytek, Poles, Schoen, McClay, or KAM. Didn’t want anything to do with Wolf, Raiche, Brown, Dodd, Cook, or Ireland.
I'm guessing Poles knew from the start that Fields wasn't the guy and wants him to play to improve their draft stock for 2024. I think they have some of the Panthers high picks as well. Sucks for Eberflus because he and Fields will probably end up being the fall guys while Poles will get another shot at hiring a coach and will be allowed to draft his guy at QB
I think both will be gone and Poles survives for one more QB and coach pick. As long as the D plays well the coach may stay for one more season and bring in a QB whisperer but who knows.
Depends on how Fields not only plays but also acts this season. If he keeps making statements like this he will be on the bench in a heartbeat. If they throw in Teabag and he looks good Fields will be selling cheeseburgers faster than he thinks
